• @Marina, great points about what could be done in terms of measuring and also of nations coming together, since indeed it isn't a problem that one country can solve. And nice example of New Zealand, I'm really interested in how they go about this so I will look into that.

    @shinergise, interesting note about the backlash against palm oil, resulting in it to be substituded by soy which needs much more land, I wasn't aware of this. I guess think that substitution is a interesting example of a lack of systems thinking; we try to reduce one harmfull practice but do not consider the harm its substitution may cause. A big part of the solution as you mention is probably indeed in changing our agricultural practises as well as our consumption patterns.

    Great to see your thoughts on this, thanks!

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